BARELY SHIPPING Season 1 · Episode 01

Your ChatGPT License Is Not a Strategy

Using AI gets you incremental growth. Building with AI gets you structural growth. Most teams are paying for the first one and expecting the second.

Published May 1, 2026 Runtime 13 min Host Nathan Thompson
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In this episode

  1. 00:00What this podcast is (and why listen)
  2. 00:30Who I am, and the free book Pipes Before Chocolate
  3. 01:00From Copy.ai chat to Workflows: when AI got real
  4. 02:00Why it's called Pipes Before Chocolate (Ford vs. Wonka)
  5. 04:00The 2026 stats wrecking B2B go-to-market
  6. 05:30What we did at Copy.ai: 350k traffic, then pipeline
  7. 06:30Principle 1: Systems over prompts
  8. 07:30Principle 2: Pipeline over pageviews
  9. 08:30Principle 3: Skeleton crews can win
  10. 09:00Principle 4: Lived experience and proprietary data are the moat
  11. 10:00The honest admission (this took three years)
  12. 11:30Build or drown
  13. 12:30What's next on Barely Shipping

In 2024, my job at Copy.ai stopped being about traffic. We had run an SEO sprint up to roughly 350,000 organic visits a month, and at the peak of it the mandate changed: traffic was never the goal, pipeline was, and we needed enterprise pipeline now that we’d moved from a B2C product to a B2B one. So we rebuilt the system, deliberately let a huge chunk of that traffic die off, and over the next eighteen months drove millions in pipeline off the content engine without a human drafting anything on the website and without an ad budget. A human stayed in the loop on strategy and judgment, but the production ran on systems.

Watching that traffic fall off a cliff was genuinely scary, and the only reason it worked is that I had leadership who cared about the right number. That experience is the whole reason I started this podcast, because it taught me the difference between using AI and building with AI. Most teams right now are doing the first thing and calling it the second.

The license is not the plan

Here’s what “using AI” looks like in 2026. Leadership reads a few breathless LinkedIn posts, catches the fear, and hands everyone on the team a ChatGPT license. That’s it. That’s the strategy.

“A lot of teams ended up getting a ChatGPT license and called it a strategy.”

What happens next is rarely what leadership pictured. Some of those employees use the license to produce disconnected, off-brand messaging faster than they ever could before, which is worse than slow because now there’s more of it. Others quietly use their subscription for AI therapy, which is funnier and honestly probably better for their wellbeing. Either way, the company bought a tool and mistook the purchase for a system. Meanwhile that same team is running somewhere between 25 and 60 marketing tools, most of them older platforms that bolted an AI feature on top and started calling themselves AI-native, none of which actually talk to each other.

The numbers around this are not subtle. Marketing budgets have flattened to under 8% of revenue, 59% of B2B marketers are being asked to do more with less, and 42% have been through a real restructuring, which in plain terms usually means the team got smaller and the survivors were told to not just cover the old workload but beat it. Under that kind of pressure the instinct is to go buy another tool, and that instinct is exactly backwards.

Incremental growth and structural growth are not the same thing

Using AI tools gets you incremental growth, and building AI systems gets you structural growth. The two look similar for about a quarter and then they split apart completely.

A prompt is a task. You ask, it answers, you copy the result, you move on. Shave 20% off the time it took to write a first draft and you have a faster version of the same job, which is fine, except that everyone has the same tool and gets the same 20%, so it stops being an advantage almost immediately. A system is a chain: one input, ten outputs, and no blank page anywhere in the process. Research feeds drafting, drafting feeds editing, editing flags the weak spots, and a human spends their time on strategy at the front and judgment at the end rather than staring at a cursor. That’s structural, because it changes the shape of what a team can produce, not just the speed at which they produce it.

This is the whole idea behind the book I wrote, Pipes Before Chocolate. The name comes from realizing that a Ford factory and Willy Wonka’s factory are both factories, and the only real difference is the creativity of the inputs. Ford automated for sameness and Wonka automated for wonder, but to get the chocolate river flowing, somebody still had to lay the pipes first. The chocolate is the magical output everyone wants to talk about. The pipes are the boring infrastructure nobody brags about, and they are the only reason any of it flows.

The fastest way to spot a team optimizing the wrong thing

The clearest sign that a team is using AI rather than building with it is that they’re still worshipping traffic.

Traffic is the easiest metric in the world to grow and the least useful when it’s the wrong traffic. My favorite proof of this is what happened to a couple of the big SEO tools, which I won’t name but which you can probably guess, that spent years generating millions of pageviews off keywords that had nothing to do with their product. They’d run an automated SEO audit of an adult website, the resulting page would rank for that site’s name, and a flood of people searching for something would land on a B2B SEO platform. Hundreds of thousands of visits from that one keyword alone, and I have a very hard time believing it produced a single paying customer.

That is pageviews as a vanity metric in its purest form, and it’s the same trap a ChatGPT license walks a team into: more content, more traffic, more visible activity, and no more pipeline than they started with. Pipeline over pageviews is the principle that matters, because the point of a system is to attract the right people and convert them, not to win a traffic contest nobody is actually scoring.

How to tell whether you’re using AI or building with it

If you want to know which side of this line your own team is on, three questions sort it out quickly.

Does one input produce one output, or ten?

This is the cleanest test. If a person prompts the model, takes the single answer, and pastes it somewhere, you’re using AI to do a task faster. If one input (a transcript, a brief, a customer call) flows through a chain and comes out the other side as an article, a set of social posts, a sales talking point, and a newsletter draft, you’re building with it. Count the outputs per input and you’ll know immediately where you stand.

Are you shaving time off tasks, or removing the blank page?

Speeding up a task you already do is incremental and easy to copy. The structural shift is when the blank page disappears entirely, when nobody on your team starts from zero because the system always hands them a strong draft to react to. If your people are still opening empty documents every morning, you’ve bought tools, not built a system.

Does the work compound, or reset every Monday?

A system gets smarter as it runs, because you’re feeding it the two things a competitor can’t copy: your team’s lived experience and your company’s proprietary data. Code those into the system (the thought leadership, the weekly learnings, the way real customers actually use your product) and every new piece of content gets more specific and harder to replicate. If your output is just as generic this month as it was last month, nothing is compounding, and you’re renting capability instead of building a moat.

The honest part

I’ll tell you where this breaks, because the people selling AI as a magic button never will. The first version of my system was ugly. It still breaks. I’m optimizing something almost every week, and there are pieces I haven’t solved yet. My two real strengths here are stubbornness and optimism, which mostly means I don’t give up on a problem I believe AI can solve until it’s actually solved. If you decide to build, expect it to be messy, expect some give and take, and give yourself a clear measurement and an end date, because it’s always safer to leave something as an experiment than to ship it, and that safety is exactly how a project quietly becomes your whole year with nothing to show for it.

There isn’t much middle ground left, though.

“You can either build or you can drown.”

You can build your own systems, you can hire someone to build them with you, or you can keep collecting tools and drowning in experiments that never make it to the finish line. The teams that pull ahead over the next few years won’t be the ones still debating which tool to buy next. They’ll be the ones who put their lived experience and their proprietary data into a queryable system that connects every go-to-market function under one roof. I chose to build, and this podcast is just me showing the work.


This is the foundation episode of Barely Shipping. The full episode is on YouTube, and the free book it’s based on, Pipes Before Chocolate, is here. If you’d rather have the system built with you than build it alone, that’s what I do.

Frequently asked

// These power the FAQ schema — questions and answers stay in sync
What's the difference between using AI and building with AI?
Using AI is running a prompt to do a single task faster — one input, one output. Building with AI is a system: one input flows through a chain (research, drafting, editing) into many outputs, with a human on strategy and judgment instead of the blank page. Using AI gets you incremental growth everyone else also gets; building with it gets you structural growth.
Why isn't a ChatGPT license a strategy?
A license is a tool, not a system. Handing everyone a subscription tends to produce more disconnected, off-brand output faster — which is worse, not better — while the real work of connecting your GTM functions into one queryable system never happens. The purchase gets mistaken for the plan.
What does 'pipeline over pageviews' mean?
Traffic is the easiest metric to grow and the least useful when it's the wrong traffic. A system should attract the right people and convert them into pipeline, not win a traffic contest nobody is scoring. Pageviews that never become pipeline are a vanity metric.
How can I tell if my team is using AI or building with it?
Three quick tests: does one input produce one output or ten; are you shaving time off tasks or removing the blank page entirely; and does the work compound month over month (fed by your lived experience and proprietary data) or reset to generic every Monday?
Full transcript click to expand

Welcome to the very first episode of Barely Shipping. Now, this will be a faster episode and more of an introduction into what this podcast is and why you should listen. So my name's Nathan Thompson, and I build AI systems to help lean B2B teams keep up and surpass their larger competition. I wrote everything that I learned over the past three years in a book called Pipes Before Chocolate.

It's totally free. You can find it in the link. It's like one hundred and seventy pages, and it's got a lot of great information on how AI can serve as the connective tissue between all of your go-to-market functions. Now, I started with AI back in twenty twenty-two with early access to Copy AI, and at this time, it was just a ChatGPT wrapper.

And it was working on, I believe, GPT two point five. It wasn't very good, it wasn't very sophisticated, but at the time it felt revolutionary. Now, in twenty twenty-three, I ended up working for Copy AI, and this was right before they came out with Workflows. [00:01:00] For th-- so for the first six months, I was using chat to figure out how can we make really high-quality blog posts with this...

It was three point five at that time, this kind of robotic-sounding tool. And then when we came out with Workflows in mid twenty twenty-three, everything changed, and I realized we could build systems and rebuild our go-to-market functions across every department in a way that was truly meaningful. Then over the past three years, you've noticed that attitudes and models have changed.

So people have started to realize just this past year how powerful AI is. We're seeing it in almost every conversation across LinkedIn. We are seeing every team and leadership team especially start mandating the use of AI without giving the proper training on how we should be doing that. At the same time, we have seen models increase their capacity, not only for the amount that they can consume, but the amount that they can output at a rate no one could have predicted, and it only seems to be speeding up.

So the goal of this comes [00:02:00] from that e-book, Pipes Before Chocolate. Now, I know the name is a little bit weird, which is why I'll explain it. Basically, when it was twenty twenty-three, I realized with workflows that what we were doing was kind of like building a factory line for certain systems. Now, these workflows were not agentic.

They were deterministic, which meant that every step of the way I was creating by itself and then chaining it down to build something larger than any one of those steps. It's called prompt chaining. And what we would end up doing is building, let's say, for a blog post, have it go do research as one step, pass all of that research to a next step, but there was no autonomous AI in there.

What this forced me to do was take a look at across our marketing function and build out those processes step by step along the way, and then expand that to the larger go-to-market team. And in doing so, I realized that there are two types of systems. You can think of this in terms of factories. And I thought of like Ford factory, where they're just making the same thing over and over and over and over, that Model T Ford with the famous expression, you [00:03:00] can have it in any color you want, so long as that color is black This was different than another type of factory, one of my favorite movies growing up, which is Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory.

Now, I realize that both are factories, but Willy Wonka had more creative inputs, and that led to more creative outputs. But the thing that they shared in common was the systems underneath. In other words, to get the chocolate river, you still had to lay down the pipes. So I set out to write that book, Pipes Before Chocolate, on how we could create those systems as marketers that is the connective tissue for all of your go-to-market motions.

And over the past three years, I have been refining that back and forth, and I'm now helping other go-to-market teams put those systems into place with something that I call systems-led growth. Now, you'll notice it's not AI-led growth or AI growth. AI is a part of it. Humans are a part of it. But it really comes down to understanding the process and the systems that you need in order to make on-brand, personalized content that hasn't [00:04:00] totally sold its soul.

So as we go through this podcast, I just want to talk about a few statistics that are just rocking the go-to-market world in 2026. You know, 59% of B2B marketers are asked to do more with less, meaning leadership has caught on, but sometimes misunderstand AI as being a magic button. And they say, "Go replace your team with AI," and it doesn't always work.

In fact, we're seeing a lot of cases where it doesn't. 42% of teams have restructured significantly, often meaning they will downsize and then tell the remaining team, "You need to not only do what your old team was doing, you need to surpass it in terms of pipeline and goals." You now have an average team running about 25 to 60 marketing tools in some Frankenstack of these outdated tools that have bolted AI on and are not truly AI native.

Budgets have fallen flat at 7.7% of revenue, and a lot of teams ended up getting a ChatGPT license and called it a strategy. What they'll do is they'll tell [00:05:00] everybody, "Hey, here's your ChatGPT license," when really what we're seeing is that those employees are writing either disconnected messaging or using their subscription for, uh, AI therapy, which I think is really funny.

What we are seeing is that people who use tools in their company find incremental growth, but people that build out systems are building structural growth, and those are very different things. So a few things that we did at Copy.ai to, to prove out a lot of this was our initial SEO sprint wound up going up to around three hundred and fifty thousand organic, uh, per month at its height.

And when-- 2024, my mandate was, "But we need the right type of traffic because traffic is not our goal. We need pipeline." We need enterprise pipeline when we went from being a B2C product to a B2B product. We rebuilt the system and drove millions in pipeline over the next eighteen months on those systems without a human drafting anything on the website.

A human was on the loo- in the loop, but we [00:06:00] purposefully got rid of the fluff and rebuilt systems to make highly personalized and engaging content on our website that drove millions in pipeline without having an ad budget. It was kind of scary to see all that traffic die off, but I had great leadership at the time, and they were more than supportive as long as pipeline went up.

And so the goal of all of this is to not just talk about content marketing, and it's not just to talk about organic SEO. It is to talk about how you as a team can drive organic pipeline, meaning pipeline you're not paying for. You're not spending a bunch of ads and just throwing fifty thousand dollar into Google Ads or LinkedIn ads.

But how do you build a go-to-market system with a limited budget and AI systems with humans in the loop that will grow your pipeline? So there are four principles to, uh, systems-led growth. The first being systems over prompt. Now, a prompt is a task, a system is a chain, one input and [00:07:00] ten outputs with no blank pages.

What this gives teams is the ability to build the right systems to move them along faster, but it is not a magic button that will do all of the work for them. And I've seen teams use prompts for task-based, uh, uh, tasks, for lack of a better phrase, and all that ends up happening is generic outputs that are disconnected from their actual brand.

So the second tenet of this is pipeline over page views. This is really important. Traffic is the easiest metric to grow, and it is the least useful if you are not growing the right traffic, meaning you are not attracting the right people with that content. I've written about this in the past on Substack, but we've seen major SEO tools, not to name names, but Ahrefs and Semrush, who were in the past generating quite literally millions of page views from keywords that were essentially adult keywords.

And that is exactly what you think it means. They would do an SEO [00:08:00] audit of an adult website. People would type in the name of that website to Google, and lo and behold, they would land to one of those two SEO tools. I can't imagine that was generating a lot of actual pipeline or users like Mr. Porn Dude was one of the words that I remember most accurately, driving hundreds and thousands with that keyword alone.

Can't imagine that was bringing actual subscribers. Traffic used to be a lot easier to get But if unless it's the right traffic, it is of no use to B2B teams. So the second tenet is pipeline over page views. Number three, skeleton crews can win. What I mean by that is smaller teams can operate or like much larger teams with the right systems in place.

This doesn't mean downsizing your team and replacing everyone with AI. It means restructuring things in a way that get the best out of humans at what humans are meant to do, and to get the best out of AI for what AI can actually do better than humans. A lot of times that's data [00:09:00] analysis, fast and accurate drafting, but there are gaps that throughout this podcast we will talk about and uncover.

Finally, and the fourth tenet is lived experience and internal data are some of the biggest moats left. AI can take any public information out there and generate an endless amount of content on the back end of it. That's how a lot of teams are using it right now. But when you get into lived experience with real thought leaderships sharing their insights, their learnings from the week, using transcripts to generate content or proprietary data in terms of how people are using your tool to do better on the market and how to grow their business with your tool, you can take those two things, lived experience, proprietary data, you can code them into your AI system, and then you can make really hyper-personalized content that's not gonna get pinged by Google.

You can't find anything that anywhere else that is high quality and engaging for the reader. And we are going to talk about how you can marry those [00:10:00] two things with AI to make some really cool and impactful content that again, drives pipeline over page views. Now, before we end this quick episode, this little teaser for the podcast, I do wanna say this took me over three years of learning to build, and I know everybody and their mother is on my LinkedIn right now talking about how awesome AI is.

The attitudes were not always the same Two and a half years ago, if I had made this very same message, the attitudes and reception would have been very different, uh, if anybody listens to this at all. But the first version was ugly, and if you are experimenting with AI, you should expect some back and forth, some give and some take to get this correct.

I am still finding things that are broken. I am still optimizing every week, but my two biggest strengths are stubbornness and optimism. Those two together make me realize when I come across a problem that I think we can solve with AI, I tend not to give up until we do. And so we're gonna go through all of those processes across all the [00:11:00] go-to-market strategies throughout this podcast.

Number two, uh, I don't consider myself a guru or an AI expert at all. I do consider myself an AI systems expert, meaning I know how to build the background knowledge that combines first-party data with third-party information in order to make really high quality and impactful content. But this extends beyond content.

It is also content that informs the sales team, the customer success team. Every go-to-market play out there can be built with AI as the connective tissue That doesn't make me an AI expert. I'm still learning things every week. I'm still following along, and things are moving at a super high pace. So I'm here to share with what I know from experience and nothing more.

Finally, when it comes to using AI, you can either build or you can drown. There's almost no middle ground at this point. You can either start building your own AI systems or hire an agency to do it, [00:12:00] or you can drown in the experiments that never go through to the finish line. Now, personally, I chose to build, but that means you need to have some kind of measurement and an end date.

It is a lot safer to keep things as an experiment than it is to actually fully launch something, and so there needs to be some expectation of it's gonna be messy, but we're going to keep pushing forward. Now, again, it is my theory that a lot of teams are debating which tools to get. Should we get this tool for this?

Should we get that tool for this? But the people that are going to pull forward in the world of AI over the next few years are the people that are going to build systems built on a queryable database that connects all of the go-to-market functions under one umbrella. So in the next episode, I have, again-- We've already released the second episode.

It was a great interview with Ramona Cutts. Go check that out if you haven't. She gives some great advice on SEO and AEO. It's fantastic. After that, we are going to talk about the iron triangle, the idea that there's speed, cost, and quality. In the [00:13:00] past, you only got to pick two, but we're gonna talk about how AI breaks that triangle, or excuse me, yeah, breaks the iron triangle and allows you to build things fast, less expensive, and still high quality without selling your brand's soul to AI.

It is possible, and we are going to talk through that. Feel free to subscribe. I post this on Substack or on YouTube, um, which then gets sent off to Spotify, but I highly recommend subscribing to the Substack. I have a newsletter there where I will be sharing a lot of the learnings and things that I am building myself open and for free.

It is a forever free Substack, which I think is important as we are starting to see attitudes change around AI, um, and how marketing teams are starting to use them and being told to use them, uh, or to find a new job. Very scary times if you're a marketer, but I do believe that it's going to have a net positive effect, and over the course of this podcast, we'll talk about how.

So thank you for checking this out. This is Barely Shipping. [00:14:00] I am Nathan Thompson. Again, please go subscribe to Substack, and we'll chat with you soon.

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